@queenlope said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):
@thestrangest "I find it extremely aggravating when people realise that the first definition they had of god was too strict therefore too easy to criticise and that's why they string together a bunch of words like "energy", "frequency", "collective consciousness" "
About this, you are acutally going against a school of thought.
"A school of thought" what is it called then? And if it's a school of thought then who cares? Does that mean I'm not allowed to criticise it?
A school of thought that I believe in and just like jesus or any other Gods, at the end of the day, they are just beliefs
Some beliefs are harmful(e.g. believing in the need for an Aryan race) and irrational(astrology) which in turn also makes them harmful(the average IQ of a theist is 7 points lower than an atheist). What is "they are just beliefs" supposed to mean
I don't think there is any point on me trying to argue about the fact that my beliefs are the right ones or the ones that everyone should follow.
Doesn't this mean you just admitted that you don't care if your beliefs are true or not?
The reason why I believe God is "energy" or just an "higher consiousness" are simple.
Well let's see the reasons
I believe in a creator
I don't think you have a good reason for believing in a creator
but I do not believe in the holly books and all the history and the beliefs that are taught around
You realise how stupid religion is but you still want to hold on to a concept/thing that comforts you and call it god when infact you can just hold on to that comfortable concept/thing and call it what it is
which is why I decided to start everything on my own and begin meditation
As a result, I did feel a flow or a connection that went through the bounderies
your self perceived sufficient revelation which I'd argue adds no validity to your beliefs even from your own perspective because atheists have claimed to have had the same experiences(but ofcourse atheists and religious people all atribute these things to different causes, the atheist usually knows how neurology explains all these things or just that it does even though he doesn't need to) so until you give a good reason for why you think these experiences couldn't have happened without a god your opinion doesn't matter
which is why I define it as the core and I decided to interpret that this energy that flows through everything is God as God is everywhere.
So basically god is everything and everything is god.
(YOU CONVENIENTLY IGNORED THIS PART OF MY LAST REPLY):
That's just the same as saying that god is the universe in which case sure, god exists, you can feel his presence and you are part of him and he is part of you just like when meditating you're told to feel the world around you, how you are part of it and it is part of you(atheists meditate too and can be spiritual), but what need is there to call the universe god when you can just say "universe"?
I can understand why you would think that "energy" has no link to the holly science but this is how I made the link between the sun and my beliefs:
The Sun is God and the Sun is a Major source of energy.
so you are literally a sun worshipper, am i supposed to take what you're saying seriously? You believe the sun is god, that's just stupid, tge sun simply didn't create the universe, we know it didn't
Either way, would you mind giving your definition of energy as you said people get confused when you show them energy itself?
MY definition of energy? There is only 1 correct scientific definition of energy
Energy, in physics, the capacity for doing work. It may exist in potential, kinetic, thermal, electrical, chemical, nuclear, or other various forms. There are, moreover, heat and work—i.e., energy in the process of transfer from one body to another. After it has been transferred, energy is always designated according to its nature. Hence, heat transferred may become thermal energy, while work done may manifest itself in the form of mechanical energy.
What we perceive as our physical material world, is really not physical or material at all, in fact, it is far from it.This has been proven time and time again by multiple Nobel Prize (among many other scientists around the world) winning physicists, one of them being Niels Bohr, a Danish Physicist who made significant contributions to understanding atomic structure and quantum theory.
“If quantum mechanics hasn’t profoundly shocked you, you haven’t understood it yet. Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.” – Niels Bohr
At the turn of the nineteenth century, physicists started to explore the relationship between energy and the structure of matter. In doing so, the belief that a physical, Newtonian material universe that was at the very heart of scientific knowing was dropped, and the realization that matter is nothing but an illusion replaced it. Scientists began to recognize that everything in the Universe is made out of energy.
“Despite the unrivaled empirical success of quantum theory, the very suggestion that it may be literally true as a description of nature is still greeted with cynicism, incomprehension and even anger.” (T. Folger, “Quantum Shmantum”; Discover 22:37-43, 2001)
There is no reason to think energy as we know it is conscious, everything is energy including human consciousness(and other animals with brains) that's just a bunch of neurons and the electrical pulses neurons use to communicate with each other(as far as we know) but there is 0 good reason to think the universe is conscious, which means that it knows that it exists and can think for itself
Nice video by the way but if you want to get in debt into the subject I would highly suggest this one:
Go in depth*
That video wasn't meant for you but thanks. And no i will not watch a 3 hour video (this being part 1), i watched 5 minutes and stopped
English is not one of my first languages so I might be making mistakes that I am not aware of, feel free to correct me if you feel the need to do so.
Don't worry you're comprehensible. I'm Palestinian(Palestine;Jesus's supposed place of birth), it isn't my first language either not to mention me never having been in an English speaking country.
This is the first reply from you to me and you are already cherry picking which parts you want to respond to, read the whole thing man.
P.S. optional video, it helped me feel spiritual for the 1st time as an atheist: